Continuing on in our Shroud Wars Debate series, we come to Round 4 whereby, once again, Shroud skeptic Hugh Farey will have to battle it out against a Pro-Shroud expert, this time around we are joined by Joe Marino to discuss 3 major topic areas.
The topics include;
i) Discussion of the dating evidence for the Shroud (includes Joe Marino’s notion of the invisible re-weave hypothesis to explain the 1988 C-14 dating & both the textile evidence and Pontius Pilate coins which are purported to put the Shroud firmly in the 1st century A.D.).
ii) Discussion of the evidence showing the Shroud is or is not an artistic image from the medieval era.
iii) The anatomical, forensic and medical evidence proving (and/or disproving) that the Shroud’s image formation involved an actual human corpse.
Buckle up for another wild ride in the 4th installment of the Shroud Wars quadrilogy!
Recommended Sources (for further study):
Joe Marino Sources (Pro-Shroud Side);
a) His main website = http://newvistas.homestead.com/ .
b)) C-14 Invisible re-weave article = https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marben.pdf .
d) This is the 3 part article on the politics of the 1988 C-14 dating = http://newvistas.homestead.com/C-14PoliticsPt1.html
OR (PART 1) = http://newvistas.homestead.com/POLITICSOFTHERADIOCARBONDATINGOFTURINSHROUDPT1.pdf ,
(PART 2) = http://newvistas.homestead.com/POLITICSOFTHERADIOCARBONDATINGOFTURINSHROUDPT2.pdf
& FINALLY (PART 3) = http://newvistas.homestead.com/POLITICSOFTHERADIOCARBONDATINGOFTURINSHROUDPT3.pdf .
There is a corresponding video presentation on the Politics of the 1988 C-14 dating here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al6F8jskkXM and/or the PowerPoint presentation here = https://www.academia.edu/35676841/PoliticsoftheShroudC-14DatingS25 .
e) Written Q&A with Joe Marino = https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/Marino-refl.pdf .
g) Audio Interview = XZRS Podcast = https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv/xzrs20180202epaemjoseph-marino or YouTube here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-acjC8KXo . Also, on YouTube = Let’s Talk Radio = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoTg866Wgv8 .
h) Joe’s Paper on invisible re-weave/mending presented at the conference = http://ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p11.pdf (16 pages). At the Ohio Shroud Conference. He also presented another paper on the C-14 at the conference here = http://ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p09.pdf . See all the papers from that 2008 conference here = http://ohioshroudconference.com/papers.htm .
Also see some of Joe’s presentations on other topics at other Shroud conferences in 2014 here = https://www.shroud.com/stlouis.htm and in 2017 here = http://www.shroudresearch.net/conference-2017.html entitled “Politics of the Shroud C-14 Dating” by Joe Marino (60 minutes) and “Invisible Reweave on the Shroud: Evidence For” by Joe Marino (30 minutes).
i) A counter source on the Invisible Re-Weave by former guest and fellow Pro-Shroud advocate Bob Rucker = https://www.academia.edu/35673357/InvisibleReweaveN27 .
j) Joe Marino’s book on the Shroud = Wrapped Up in the Shroud, Chronicle of a Passion = https://www.amazon.ca/Wrapped-Up-Shroud-Chronicle-Passion/dp/097894996X .
Hugh Farey (skeptic side) Sources:
a) Hugh has provided us with the links to his two academic papers on the Shroud entitled “The Medieval Shroud”, see Part 1 (Feb 2018) = https://www.academia.edu/35960624/THEMEDIEVALSHROUD & also Part 2 (Feb 2019) = https://www.academia.edu/38192476/THEMEDIEVALSHROUD_2 .
b) Hugh is the editor at the British Society for the Turin Shroud Newsletter which can be found on the new website here = https://www.bstsnewsletter.com/ and/or archives of the BSTS Newsletters can be found here = https://www.shroud.com/bstsmain.htm .
c) Unbelievable? Debate on the Shroud with Hugh Farey vs. Pro-Shroud expert Dr. Alan Whanger = https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Is-the-Turin-Shroud-the-burial-cloth-of-Christ-Alan-Whanger-vs-Hugh-Farey .
e) Hugh also mentioned in the show that people should check out Vern Miller’s newly available photos of the Shroud here = https://www.shroudphotos.com/ .
f) Hugh also mentioned an article he wrote in the latest BSTS Newsletter on the Pontius Pilate coins, see here = Hugh Farey- Pontius Pilate Leptons Article
f) Hugh also recommended the following book on the Shroud entitled “Shroud of Turin: Uncovering the Paradox within the Archives Holy Shroud Guild” by Giorgio D. Bracaglia = https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shroud-of-Turin-Uncovering-the-Paradox-within-the-Archives-Holy-Shroud-Guild/372565978121?hash=item56bea9ac09:g:1f0AAOSw5tNcOl~i:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true .